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	<title>Comments on: 1.0.5 Release Blooper</title>
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		<title>By: Sergio BR</title>
		<link>http://brian.kingsonline.net/talk/2005/07/105-release-blooper/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergio BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 1.0.5 has problems, Mozilla should stop delivering 1.0.5 en version to US people too. Otherwise it sounds as if the us people were more important than the non-us people. If you intend to give 1.0.6 to all, stop having 1.0.5 only in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 1.0.5 has problems, Mozilla should stop delivering 1.0.5 en version to US people too. Otherwise it sounds as if the us people were more important than the non-us people. If you intend to give 1.0.6 to all, stop having 1.0.5 only in English.</p>
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		<title>By: x</title>
		<link>http://brian.kingsonline.net/talk/2005/07/105-release-blooper/comment-page-1/#comment-209</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 23:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two kinds of users using Firefox. First group contains those who spread the word, try many different extensions, use English version, try nightly builds, report bugs etc. About 5% percent of people belong to this group.


The second group is happy that they know where they can start their computer. Many of the people in this group don&#039;t speak English nor are they able or happy to use the English version. About 95% of people belong to this group.

The second group is also very difficult. They are used to IE and they are lookind for reasons to go back to there. News about Firefox security holes doesn&#039;t help, but tell them that Firefox provides patches to those holes very quicly, so they don&#039;t need to worry about the holes.

When new version is released, but it isn&#039;t for their language, we tell them to wait for a few days. Few days passes and there is still no new version. They ask &quot;Where is the new version that should be here fast like you said?&quot; What am I supposed to answer to that?

Firefox is a really good peace of software. It is one of the best oss I have ever seen. But without users, Firefox is nothing. 

So please, try to understand how important it is to release versions with different languages asap after the English version, even if they suffer from some bugs. This will make the work for us much easier and it will also increase the amount of users, which you propably want too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two kinds of users using Firefox. First group contains those who spread the word, try many different extensions, use English version, try nightly builds, report bugs etc. About 5% percent of people belong to this group.</p>
<p>The second group is happy that they know where they can start their computer. Many of the people in this group don&#8217;t speak English nor are they able or happy to use the English version. About 95% of people belong to this group.</p>
<p>The second group is also very difficult. They are used to IE and they are lookind for reasons to go back to there. News about Firefox security holes doesn&#8217;t help, but tell them that Firefox provides patches to those holes very quicly, so they don&#8217;t need to worry about the holes.</p>
<p>When new version is released, but it isn&#8217;t for their language, we tell them to wait for a few days. Few days passes and there is still no new version. They ask &#8220;Where is the new version that should be here fast like you said?&#8221; What am I supposed to answer to that?</p>
<p>Firefox is a really good peace of software. It is one of the best oss I have ever seen. But without users, Firefox is nothing. </p>
<p>So please, try to understand how important it is to release versions with different languages asap after the English version, even if they suffer from some bugs. This will make the work for us much easier and it will also increase the amount of users, which you propably want too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be realistic, most of the core developers speak English, and most of the users do to. Since the localization efforts vary in attention, it would lead to later releases all around if everyone had to wait for everyone else.

That said, this is clearly a screwup from mozfoundation and not the l10n teams. They should indeed be more up front about the problems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be realistic, most of the core developers speak English, and most of the users do to. Since the localization efforts vary in attention, it would lead to later releases all around if everyone had to wait for everyone else.</p>
<p>That said, this is clearly a screwup from mozfoundation and not the l10n teams. They should indeed be more up front about the problems!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurens Holst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurens Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># Why are localized builds not shipped simultaneously with the en-US version?

Indeed, why not. For example, Thunderbird 1.0.2 had been out for ages, but it took a long while for the localisations to follow. For Firefox the localisations are available earlier, but I donâ€™t see why they shouldnâ€™t be released simultaneously. Not doing that only leads to confusion for people who want to upgrade their localised version.


~Grauw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># Why are localized builds not shipped simultaneously with the en-US version?</p>
<p>Indeed, why not. For example, Thunderbird 1.0.2 had been out for ages, but it took a long while for the localisations to follow. For Firefox the localisations are available earlier, but I donâ€™t see why they shouldnâ€™t be released simultaneously. Not doing that only leads to confusion for people who want to upgrade their localised version.</p>
<p>~Grauw</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Maybe this isnâ€™t so open projectâ€¦

Nearly none of the major open source projects are open projects...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Maybe this isnâ€™t so open projectâ€¦</p>
<p>Nearly none of the major open source projects are open projects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Hauner</title>
		<link>http://brian.kingsonline.net/talk/2005/07/105-release-blooper/comment-page-1/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Hauner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And &quot;lack of communication&quot; is everygreen for Mozilla Foundation. Maybe this isn&#039;t so open project...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And &#8220;lack of communication&#8221; is everygreen for Mozilla Foundation. Maybe this isn&#8217;t so open project&#8230;</p>
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